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Re: Grimsby Wargames Club

Postby Katie » Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:53 pm

I'm surprised the cops are taking any interest at all.

You could complain to the Partizan organisers.

However, and this is where it gets hairy, they're likely to want more evidence than forum discussions before they'd deny a demo game request.
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Re: Grimsby Wargames Club

Postby Partizanmeister » Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:07 pm

At The Other Partizan we did have handed to us a letter from the Grimsby Police regarding their warning to the club. At the time this rather puzzled us. I was not at the front door when the letter was handed over, and I do not recall having had any correspondence (mentioned in the thread above) regarding the incident. Having now been made aware of this thread (and rejoined the forum - I think I was a member a long time ago!) this all starts to make sense.

Let me be clear, therefore, that I, as show organiser along with Tricks, absolutely abhor any such behaviour towards people with disabilities, or for any other form of discrimination. We have always aimed to make Partizan open and inclusive to everyone regardless of age, ethnic origin, orientation, faith or anything else that makes them 'different'. As the parent of two lads with autism and learning disabilities I take such things very personally.

The awards were judged by independent persons (the three editors of the main wargames magazines) for the May show - the one pictured - and I believe they are also unaware of the incident and attitudes discussed, so the award was made on merit alone on the day.

Katie is right that we are in a difficult position in the absence of an offence having been committed (and in this case no formal caution was given). We had a similar situation a few years ago with a trader whose political views were abhorrent to us personally, but were not stated or acted upon at the show. They no longer trade with us, but that was their decision, not a withdrawal of an invite from us.

If any member of any club were to act in a way which was disciminatory or offensive to people with disabilities, or for any discriminatory action, whilst they were our guests at the show then we would have no hesitation in asking them to leave, and not invite them again. It is much more difficult for us to act on things which happen outside of the show.

I haven't yet had a chance to discuss this with Tricks, so we have not yet decided upon what course of action to take, but I would like to once again make clear that we absolutely condemn such attitudes, and stand for open and inclusive gaming, and aim to be a show which includes everyone.

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Re: Grimsby Wargames Club

Postby Drjackson » Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:13 pm

When groups don't care then the first place to start is public pressure or keep trying until you find someone does care. Do they operate from council owned venues or advertise in community publications ? if so then let them know. You've probably seen these links already

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/discr ... justments/

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/discr ... -overview/

Of course if legal action is taking place then public shaming might not help but if you then shame away !
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Re: Grimsby Wargames Club

Postby nevermore » Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:34 am

Thanks for the feedback, i know its abit awkward for Partizan, i have written to the chairman of the Grimsby Wargames Club and i am still in shock and yes angry at the way they are misleading the general public, "We are a friendly and proud club" and it is this what has brought it all back to light, they are a terrible run club and are very open about the thoughts on disabilities make no mistake about that and they are also very cloak and dagger.

They have broke every rule in the discrimination act, they have read the rules of what you can and not do, as we passed over the booklet to them to educated them.They took it personaly and the Treasurer broke into the membership funds for solictors to act for them to put pressure on my family and of course Dave who also has multiple sclerosis, i myself also have disabilties as some people know on here.

Partizan is not to blame for the club that presents itself on the tables, i need to make that crystal clear they knew nothing, its a great venue at the new place, plenty of space and very friendly, its properly the longest time i spent at the show because you do have time to stand and chat and talk to friends, the old venue lacked this, for the first time the afernoon was still buzzing, so well done to the Partizan board.

The email i wrote is as follows, i had to remove names, hope you all understand that and why.----


First of all XXXX congrats on becoming the chairman of the Grimsby Wargames club, and secondly after a long period of suffering my family had to be put through the abuse my daughter had to put up from the two members XXXX and XXXX, i will now protest against a club that is full of hate against my Daughter Natasha, i never put a complaint in against XXXX the so called chairman because it was so obvious nothing would of been done, you were more concerned about my reaction to the abuse that was dished out on me because of my daughters illness.

XXXX did explain to a large number of members that the club should ban Disabled people and that people with multiple sclerosis should get thicker skin, this was directed at my daughter Natasha who is 15 years of age, my daughter is very ill lost of one eye sight and can hardly walk and suffers short term memory lost, she also has injections of avonex, the youngest person in the UK with multiple sclerosis and the uneducated XXXX began to laugh in my face at my daughters illness,XXXX XXXX was there which fell on deaf ears because he is not man enough to speak up against him, XXXX also pointed out that the committee felt the same way and had the full backing from them, properly why XXXX never spoke up in the first place

Now i have seen the club portraying itself as a friendly and proud club, which is simply not true, my daughter never deserved the verbal abuse and hate which the two members directed at her, so here is now what is going to happen, if i ever see the club putting on a game at any venue under the name of Grimsby Wargames club, i will be there,i will shame the lot of you for the way you all got behind XXXX and XXXX, just by protesting outside handing out leaflets to every person who walks into any venue you are at and the way the club has a history of hate against a 15 year teenager with multiple sclerosis , i will of course be with my 15 year old daughter Natasha and a fair number of other protesters who are more than willing to help.

You all seriously need to wake up and realized the damage you did a while back, you have a massive problem at the club and a bigger problem on the outside.I have had to put all this to one side for a while because of putting the pieces together within my family, but i have never forgotten what you all did and how you all got behind XXXX and XXXX and the campaign of hate.

I wish you all the luck being the chairman.
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Re: Grimsby Wargames Club

Postby Katie » Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:01 am

That's not how to write a complaint letter about this sort of thing.

You need to list actual occurrences of discriminatory behaviour. Preferably with the dates and witnesses present.

All that letter does is talk about the established facts of people's illnesses and then make threats about discrediting the society.
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Re: Grimsby Wargames Club

Postby Levied Troop » Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:24 am

Katie's right. I would strongly suggest that you contact the organisations Drjackson identified and get good advice on how best to proceed.
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Re: Grimsby Wargames Club

Postby dhtandco » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:25 am

I fully understand that Partizan organisers were not aware of any of this.There was no real point complaining to the club committee as all five of the then current members of it, had at least one incident logged against them by us.l have a file of emails and incident logs .The best I hoped for was that they never appeared at a show again until their organisers radically changed and they remained in the cesspit they have made for themselves If they do this I will feel that this post has been worthwhile.

I would that the police were very helpful and supportive and have so many pressures on them we could not really expect more from them.
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Re: Grimsby Wargames Club

Postby nevermore » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:16 pm

Kate and John, believe me we have a file as thick as your arm on this, police have read it, time, dates and many witnesses, got to remember this was not short term but went on for well over a year, week after week, we just sat back and gathered so much, we even moved to a Weds evening gaming to get away from the abuse on Mondays and still it came at us.

The email was written to the new chairman, but i don't think that he is fully aware of everything but did know about the abuse, people never spoke up, saying "this is wrong" i will never fully understand why nobody spoke up knowing full well that my Daughter, myself and Dave were getting abuse just because we each have disabilties.

It makes me feel sick even putting this down on the forum explaining because i feel i am making a fuss over nothing, then i just look at my daughter and say to myself that i will stand against anybody who has a problem with peoples disabilties, its not about me trying to get revenge, its about stamping out this type of behaviour and educating fools.
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Re: Grimsby Wargames Club

Postby An Absent Humphrey » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:53 pm

nevermore wrote:...its not about me trying to get revenge, its about stamping out this type of behaviour and educating fools.


That, my friend, is a losing battle.
Alas, there will always be arseholes in this world. If that is your motivation then you are on a hiding to nothing.
You can't educate fools. That's why they're fools. At best you'll just get them keep it to themselves, but you won't change how they think and feel. In some ways it's better for them to be vocal so others can realise what kind of people they are. Otherwise they'll just carry on their prejudice in some other way. You won't change their views and opinions you'll just inspire them to find other subtler ways of continuing it.
Maybe a better way is to create something positive from it rather than dwell on the negative? Maybe it's a good opportunity to create a new club in the area, one built on being inclusive rather than exclusive.
Of course, there's nothing wrong in raising some public awareness over what they are like. But in the end you could end up punishing yourself if you don't let it go.
You've clocked them for the bunch of cunts they are. And, even better, you've done something to alert other authorities and charities, and the gaming community, to their activities. Now let it go before it consumes you.
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Re: Grimsby Wargames Club

Postby Katie » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:01 pm

"Kate"

Katie.
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