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Re: Netflix

Postby Roger Theloger » Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:13 pm

Amazon complies with the letter of the tax law, just as Starbucks does.

Google on the other hand employs sales people in London, and charges through Ireland.
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Re: Netflix

Postby Levied Troop » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:21 pm

This is a well spent three hours of your life!

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Re: Netflix

Postby Levied Troop » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:43 pm

Citizen Sade wrote:And there are armies of state employees tasked with making sure that companies comply with the law. It seems that Amazon does so and pays little corporation tax because they make little profit. What then is your problem with their contribution?



Apologies, missed this. There are no 'armies' - barely enough to meet Blackfly's generous Force on Force rules. Tax teams facing large corporations will be in single figures and almost always outnumbered by any large corporations lawyer, tax advisors and accountants.

The Digital Economy Group has been lobbying the OECD to resist a redrawing of the tax rules and claims "Enterprises that employ digital communications models do not organise their business operations differently as a legal or tax matter." Really? If a trade union had suggested that a company sell in the UK but locate a 'sales' force in say Ireland or Luxembourg and route their sales through those offices and pay those offices a 'fee' virtually equivalent to those sales because wages were higher in those countries, they'd have been laughed out of the room, partly on grounds that it was a poor way to organise business. But if those countries have more advantageous tax laws, then funnily enough it is that poor business model they adopt and then claim it has nothing to do with tax.

These people are liars. They are in effect exploiting tax laws that have usually been put in place to reduce unfairness in very specific business instances and were not intended to allow other companies to bend their business model into what looks like a remarkably artifical arrangement to reduce their tax bill.

Somewhat ironically, given the higher costs of setting up these arrangements, the higher costs of Governments identifying these arrangements and putting new laws in place to offset them and the then repeated higher costs of changing the arrangements to avoid the new laws does have a continuous impact on the costs and effectiveness of the companies concerned. The only people winning this game are the Magic Circle accountancy companies who sell these arrangements.

My problem with Amazon, Starbucks, Googles etc contribution? It is not a fair contribution towards the country they operate in and who you and I have helped pay for the advantages in that country they wish to enjoy.
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Re: Netflix

Postby Roger Theloger » Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:06 pm

Now now LT be fair, the accountancy firms are selling "product". They are expected to minimise tax bills.

Their clients just have no scruples, ethics or feel any responsibility to the society in which they live and operate.

I was told once somewhere that if every individual and company paid the correct amount of tax ethically, we could all pay a flat 10% tax and the government would get the same amount of money to use, and the "army of civil servants" would all be out of a job so it would save even more money. ;)
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Re: Netflix

Postby Levied Troop » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:37 pm

Roger Theloger wrote:Now now LT be fair, the accountancy firms are selling "product".


So are drug dealers.

Your last point is probably right, we could also have possibly introduced the life of leisure I was promised in Tomorrow's World circa 1966.
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Re: Netflix

Postby Roger Theloger » Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:13 pm

Don't worry, successive governments with reduce the number of civil servants beyond the point of effectiveness to save the wages bill. Then complain that the public complains they don't get what they need.

Obviously those on benefits don't matter, so it will be two people in a call centre for the whole country dealing with benefits, and 22 seconds per claimant for their signing on interviews.

tax credit and child benefit claimants will get the same treatment... those are benefits too but by a different name

borders will have profile hit squads

tax... ah one assistant on a short term contract at minimum wage, per 3 senior civil servants.
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Re: Netflix

Postby Skipp » Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:51 pm

Citizen Sade wrote:And there are armies of state employees


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Not so much these days
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Re: Netflix

Postby Citizen Sade » Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:43 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/hm-revenue-customs wrote:With 70,000 staff ...

More than with Alexander at Issus, Hannibal at Cannae or Wellington at Salamanca. More than fought on both sides at First Bull Run.

Civil servant? :roll:
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Re: Netflix

Postby Skipp » Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:53 pm

Nope
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Re: Netflix

Postby Roger Theloger » Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:31 pm

Citizen Sade wrote:
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/hm-revenue-customs wrote:With 70,000 staff ...

More than with Alexander at Issus, Hannibal at Cannae or Wellington at Salamanca. More than fought on both sides at First Bull Run.

Civil servant? :roll:


down from around 135k 6 years ago. Could you do the same work on 1/2 the hours?
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