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Postby An Absent Humphrey » Mon May 15, 2017 8:13 am

Yes please!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Outremer-Skirm ... 1472823966

That's it, I think.
For some years I have managed to avoid doing a Seljuk army. But I think 2018 may be the year to get some done.
My Normans have suddenly become crusaders.
I'll be keen to see what these rules are like. I'm generally very positive about the Osprey 'blue' rules.
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Re: Outremer

Postby Australian Dawn » Mon May 15, 2017 9:10 am

The rules they publish in this series seem to be getting more period and milieu specific.

It will be interesting to see to what depth of detail they go into covering the specifics of this conflict, and to see how well they capture the flavour of this period and setting, and differentiate these rules from their more generic rules that cover the same or similar ground.

It seems like a smart long term plan for Osprey to have their own games so they aren't reliant on the continued success of other companies' games to generate interest in their books from gamers.

They're also a good gateway into the hobby for the uninitiated, pretty, small and unintimidating looking, and at least around my way actually on the shelves in non specialist book stores.

That has to be good for the hobby IMHO.
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Re: Outremer

Postby Bronshtein » Mon May 15, 2017 10:13 am

The thing I like about most of the ones I have (Frostgrave excepted) is that they don't seem to work on the expectation that once you've bought the basic book you are hooked into a never ending chain of 'Supplements', 'Lists', 'Expansion Packs' etc.

I think the idea of a basic set of rules and a simple set of points/lists for those that want/need them is okay but when you get a set 'covering' several hundred years, which spawns period/war/campaign specific obligatory lists for competitions, each padded out with 20 pages of fluff and bad history at £20 each, I begin to suspect I may be being fleeced.

The price point for the Osprey rules is right for me and I like the period specificity (although I know that may mean buying more of the things it doesn't feel like being milked as much as the other marketing model does - I know - I'm simple that way).

On the other hand I can't find anything about these on the Osprey site and I hate the months of pre-publicity about things. (I'm still waiting for a book by a friend that's been publicised for several years as being out 'any day now'. I know why the delay and I sympathise but the publicity machine fucking annoys me).
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Re: Outremer

Postby An Absent Humphrey » Mon May 15, 2017 10:35 am

Yeah, I wondered why it wasn't actually on the Osprey site.
Then I noticed they only publicise books that are due for publication in the next 3 months only.
I suspect it's still pretty much early days for Outremer, and it wouldn't surprise me if April 2018 is just a speculative date.

I have found Osprey's 'hardback' rules (e.g. Frostgrave - which I've played and enjoyed, Bolt Action - never played but heard enough to know it won't be for me, Horizon Wars - just didn't know what it wanted to be, Force On Force - not my sort of thing, Fog - that game is the work of Satan and everything I dislike in miniatures' games, plus I think there was an AWI one and an ACW one?) have left me cold.
But those 'blue' rulebooks are the right physical size, self-contained, and at the right price that I am willing to take a risk on them. I think they've been a real boon to the hobby.
I'm also heavily in favour of period-specific rules, but not too narrow and specific. The Crusades could also be covered quite effectively by Lion Rampant, for instance. Sometimes, when the rules writer is trying to make the rules specific, they let too much get in the way. I hope that Outremer doesn't fall into that trap. I shall happily look forward to it though and in the mean time paint the odd Saracen or two.
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