May Kicks Another Brit While They Are Down

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Re: May Kicks Another Brit While They Are Down

Postby Bronshtein » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:44 am

The internal squabbles and virtual demise of Socialist Zionism are too long to be rehearsed here. But for every (non-Socialist) Begin there was...well an Einstein or a Rabin.

Not any longer apparently, unless and until someone can make the Capone rap stick to Bibi.

As for the British Labour Party - swings and roundabouts - Ernie Bevin definitely not a fan of Jews, Wilson pro-Israel, and then we get the late 70s 'I love Yasser' swing of which Corbyn and Livingstone are keen exponents (ironic really as I managed to collect a lot of cash for Ken in his mayoral campaign from the most unlikely source! I suspect I may have breached rather a lot of rules somewhere).

Not a member of the Party for long, as my occupation was for many years a bar to my membership of political parties.

As for Ms Begum - silly cow no doubt, but the state picking on her is ridiculous.
Let her come home. I have no doubt they could probably find some anti-terror legislation from which to cobble together a charge against her. If they can convict 15 protesters of terrorism for stopping a plane deporting people from taking off, Begum should be an easy target.
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Re: May Kicks Another Brit While They Are Down

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Re: May Kicks Another Brit While They Are Down

Postby Guest » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:37 am

[quote="Bronshtein"]...a simple plane ticket would have sufficed.[quote]

I agree.
But I see no reason why the government (and, by extension, the UK population) should pay for that.
If friends and family want to have a whip round and pay for a ticket to bring her home then let them. If they care for her so much then I'm sure they can find the money. Maybe even a GoFundMe campaign! If that's what they want to do, and if others want to contribute, then fair play.
But given her decision to go out there, and given the determination she would have to have shown to do that journey, and given her lack of remorse, and given her relative safety, I see no reason why the government should bring her back.

Earlier in the week lots of schoolchildren went on strike over the environment and everyone said how we should listen to them. We seemed to have no problem listening to, and accepting, the opinions of children then, and equally I accept the thoughts and decisions of a 15 year old Shamima when she decided she wanted to join IS. Let's take her for her convictions, we otherwise seemed to have no difficulty accepting the convictions of children.

And yes - I also agree it was wrong to take away her citizenship.
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Re: May Kicks Another Brit While They Are Down

Postby Sajiid Javid » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:29 am

"The Saj will deal with this one"



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Re: May Kicks Another Brit While They Are Down

Postby Bronshtein » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:28 pm

Guest wrote:But I see no reason why the government (and, by extension, the UK population) should pay for that.
If friends and family want to have a whip round and pay for a ticket to bring her home then let them. If they care for her so much then I'm sure they can find the money. Maybe even a GoFundMe campaign! If that's what they want to do, and if others want to contribute, then fair play.
But given her decision to go out there, and given the determination she would have to have shown to do that journey, and given her lack of remorse, and given her relative safety, I see no reason why the government should bring her back.
Have you followed any of this?
It's not about who pays.
She can't come back.
We've denied her the right to travel - anywhere - no valid citizenship - no passport.

It's not about the £300 to repatriate her - we've unpersonned her.
Earlier in the week lots of schoolchildren went on strike over the environment and everyone said how we should listen to them. We seemed to have no problem listening to, and accepting, the opinions of children then, and equally I accept the thoughts and decisions of a 15 year old Shamima when she decided she wanted to join IS. Let's take her for her convictions, we otherwise seemed to have no difficulty accepting the convictions of children.

Hmmm?
Not everyone.
A bit of posturing and journalistic flummery or the actual legal age of majority in the UK? Difficult.

Personally I wouldn't pay much attention to what a teenager wants (beyond accepting their right not to be buggered by a priest).

Giving 16 year olds the vote would be a fucking disaster.

I'd probably raise the voting age at least back to 21. I certainly wouldn't lower it.
And yes - I also agree it was wrong to take away her citizenship.

Good. :D
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Re: May Kicks Another Brit While They Are Down

Postby Not giving a fuck » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:49 pm

She's still breathing. She should be grateful.
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Re: May Kicks Another Brit While They Are Down

Postby Bronshtein » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:26 pm

Sajiid Javid wrote:"The Saj will deal with this one"

I suspect a 19 year old girl may be beyond his capabilities.
He may be able to wrestle the 7 day old kid into submission (don't put your shirt on it though).
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Re: May Kicks Another Brit While They Are Down

Postby Hew Johns » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:48 pm

If the Kurds don't want to deal with it, they can slip her on a plane and then the whole mess goes down in Heathrow.
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Re: May Kicks Another Brit While They Are Down

Postby Bronshtein » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:16 pm

At which airport do you suggest?
Pretty sure the Democratic Federation of Northern Syria doesn't control any international airports (any? airports).
In Turkey? - not best mates with the Kurds (bombing and shooting them currently).
In Assad's bit of Syria? Tricky - leaving aside the fact he'll probably kill her and her son - we aren't currently on the best of terms either - may be difficult getting a plane from Damascus International :lol: to Heathrow as there aren't any international carriers flying that route as far as I know.
Iraq? - well we're best mates of course :lol: but I'm not sure getting her from the Kurds through Iraqi hands and onto a plane in one piece is going to work without a bit of British help (which isn't happening).
Iran? :rofl:

Any other thoughts on a postcard to The Democratic Federation of Northern Syria.

(Or Sajid)
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Re: May Kicks Another Brit While They Are Down

Postby Hew Johns » Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:21 pm

"Well, Azad, looks like it's going to cost us a bit more than £300 then..."
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