Frothers Unite! UK

I love this game. :)

Ive looked at WH 40K before. never really had the money or the patience to try it. every now and then i get the urge to give it a try.

id be interested in a star trek based one. But starfleet battles does look a little....advanced

Society has had the Roman arena= bad message hammered into it so thoroughly since Christianity was embraced and the circus banned that I doubt the idea that the kids might [i]not[/i] having that instant preprogramed response of outrage, titillated disgust and moral superiority ever even occurred to the person running these games.

Society has also revelled vicariously in those very same gory events it proposes to abhor under the guise of education (religious, moral, historic, whatever) from about the time such practises were banned I'd recon, with the only possible subconscious folk memory of the horrors of the circus being society's persistent inexplicable mistrust of clowns.

What the hell, it's all good clean fun.
I'm off to read some vicious, sadistic and gory stories of martyred saints, for the good of my soul of course. 0;)

Be my guest (free up till $20,000 sales, 10% of gross after that!) 8)

"Conveyor Belt to Death"

I like that. It breaks the War-Somethings, Something-Wars, Something of War, and similar rules title formulas.

Mind if I grab that for the title or tag line of my next set of edgy wargame rules that I haven't started yet?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Nah fam!
Crap try.
Next.

Except you don't come across as someone who wants to have a conversation.
You come across as someone who just wants to have a pompous opinion.

Look at how you started - anyone playing gladiator games wants to glamorise and game rape, torture, and murder.
In the same way, then, anyone who plays WW2 games is endorsing mass execution, genocide, lining up women and children and shooting them, etc.

Except they're not, are they?

So are you telling us that a gladiator game will be about depicting the tying up of slaves and throwing them to wild animals? Do you really think that's what it would be? Or do you think it might, perhaps, just focus on two armed combatants. Oh yeah, it's still dirty and sordid all right. But then, so were the Normandy beach landings. Is it a real and honest depiction of what happened? No, it's not. But then what wargame is? They're all fantasy.

Your problem is that you have spent so much time on [i]that[/i] thread that you think the only way you can post here is to be outspoken, provocative and arrogant (and no, that's not what Frothers always was. That's your lack of experience. It could be, but it wasn't always).

You've become a parody of yourself.

Because I bet that if you start all conversations with people, face-to-face, the same way then it's a wonder you have any teeth left.
If you want a conversation piece then try being conversational.
If you want to be provocative and judgemental then don't be surprised when you get it back.

It's up to you.

Gosh so many questions!
But I suppose that's your game.
Not playing.

No there is no equivalence between gaming combat and gaming Gladiators.

One is a game about war (bad enough and one I harbour doubts about), the other is about gaming a conveyor belt of death to judicial torture and murder.

Chechnya -not done it. Happy to do it. You know I'd be Russian right?
IRA - Yes -from several sides.
Drug Cartels? - Hmm - no. Not really combat - unless we are looking at some of the Colombian shenanigans. Fuck knows who the good guys are though! 8)
Westerns - guilty as charged. Still not a conveyor belt to death.

Sad ending - twice you've poked at that imaginary button. Ain't there squire. :D
If you wanted a proper conversation - I'd be very interested - you're a time wasting tosser who wants an argument.
Silly boy. :roll:

But I see elsewhere, Bron, that you are happy to urge others to game activities including extra-judicial murder, bushwhacking, murder of innocent civilians, and mob lynching:
http://www.frothersunite.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=53806

And with your children as well. Well done you.

What's next from you, eh? I suppose if you are happy with all those things then you'd also support gaming terrorist actions in Chechnya, IRA bombing missions, or shoot outs between drug cartels in busy city centres.

Yeah, that sloppy and sanctimonious moral equivalency thing's dead easy and fun, eh? I can see why you do it so often now.

But what you've either conveniently not realised, or in your haste To Make A Point not thought about, is that gladiatorial games have as much to do with actual gladiatorial combat as any wargame does with the period it is trying to recreate.

In a WW2 game (for example) how often do you game soldiers finishing off a wounded opponent in the heat of battle? Or doing the same in any game? It undoubtedly happened/s.

Gladiatorial games do not feature the rape and execution of unnarmed prisoners like you suggest. Yeah, sure, it actually happened. But a gladiatorial game is more a romanticised version and focusses exclusively on the armed and armoured characters - it's fantasy. Just like that game of Waterloo.

Suggesting it glamorises the reality of what happened is no more relevant than any wargames and the rotten shit that takes place in warfare and is conveniently glossed over in any wargame.

Then you use that shoddy technique, like you often do, by suggesting that if a person likes X then they must like Y as well.
Tell me, what gaming periods do you play? I'd genuinely like to know because I'm wondering what is so pure and honourable about the periods you play. It really is a genuine question - tell us what you play. Because I bet, sure as shit, that there was some wicked and immoral things done then and I bet you somehow manage to airbrush over them.