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Re: Meanwhile, in the rest of the world...

Post by Australian Dawn » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:54 am

Bronshtein wrote:cujus o'neillio ejus religio eh?

What do you think about the Folau law?

I mean he was a bit dumb and his ideas are bollocks but shouldn't he be allowed to say 'my God won't like people being gay and deal with them when they are dead'?

It's not the same as saying 'stone the cunts to death now' because they dissed my God is it?

No sanction in this life and we can all laugh at the idea of post mortem retribution, can't we?

I don't think we should laugh at religious views that affect this life any more than I think we should laugh at laws that stop people playing rugby because they are stupid. There wouldn't be pack left playing it that were the law.

I believe in the Frothers rule of free speech, you're free to think and say whatever you want and everyone else is free to think and say you're a cunt.

Although I'm not sure a lot of nasty shit with real world ramifications couldn't develop behind the very thin distinction between what "God" says/ will do according to some arsehole and what they and people like them say and will do.
How long after people start openly preaching god hates such and such group before people start busting out the torches and pitchforks?
The sooner someone gets up in the face of the people preaching hate and calls them a cunt the better IMHO.

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Re: Meanwhile, in the rest of the world...

Post by Etranger2 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:45 am

The problem was that a 'Social Media' clause was written into Folau's contract & he'd been warned about it quite strongly about it the year before. It shouldn't have come as a surprise to him that repeatedly infringing his contract was going to end badly. The fact that the team's major sponsor, QANTAS, is headed by a prominent gay CEO & the company has had a long standing equality programme probably didn't help his cause either.

I should add that rugby in general & Rugby Australia in particular have become quite inclusive in the past decade, with plenty of support for the LGBTI community.

Re: Meanwhile, in the rest of the world...

Post by Bronshtein » Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:13 am

cujus o'neillio ejus religio eh?

What do you think about the Folau law?

I mean he was a bit dumb and his ideas are bollocks but shouldn't he be allowed to say 'my God won't like people being gay and deal with them when they are dead'?

It's not the same as saying 'stone the cunts to death now' because they dissed my God is it?

No sanction in this life and we can all laugh at the idea of post mortem retribution, can't we?

I don't think we should laugh at religious views that affect this life any more than I think we should laugh at laws that stop people playing rugby because they are stupid. There wouldn't be pack left playing it that were the law.

Re: Meanwhile, in the rest of the world...

Post by Australian Dawn » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:58 am

So now it sounds like Australian Labour is going to try sucking up more to religion, just what we need, an opposition who's highest ambition is to be a shoddy copy of the religious Right government. :roll:
Why not? It worked for them after all, and it's a lot easier than coming up with an actual viable alternative narrative for the country to follow or pushing unfashionable labour ideals, getting down in the gutter and stirring up religious turmoil for short term political gain is a much better idea. :roll:
Remember when if and what you worshiped was a private matter and had nothing to do with running the country? Happy days.

Re: Meanwhile, in the rest of the world...

Post by Condottiero » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:07 pm

Re: Meanwhile, in the rest of the world...

Post by JJCH nli » Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:44 am

The HEIC received its charter in 1600. I’d suggest it really kicked off after Charles II effectively handed over the Indian portion of his dowry for a peppercorn and granted them exclusive rights to mint cash, raise armies and run a monopoly enterprise on trade. Long before Plassey, they were making serious dosh.

The British sugar trade didn’t start before the late 1640s but only really hit its straps in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. Too much competition at first, the Dutch only transplanted the trade after they were kicked out of NE Brazil but they, the French, the Spanish and of course the Portuguese all had massive sugar industries. Most folk don’t realise that the vast preponderance of the Atlantic slave trade, the manual labour of the sugar trade, ended up in Brazil, my wife and children’s ancestors included.

Re: Meanwhile, in the rest of the world...

Post by gustav » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:10 am

may be - but I thought the HEIC did not get really started in a big way until post Plassey - whereas the Sugar Trade was well up and about by the WSS.
but that's more my interpretation rather than real knowledge.

Re: Meanwhile, in the rest of the world...

Post by Bronshtein » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:16 pm

Gustav - happy to see the HEIC and West Indies Interest as parallel examples of a trend of 'entrepreneurs' manipulating/changing the course of Crown and Parliamentary rule (John Pym anyone?).

But hard to to see the HEIC as taking over from the West Indies - HEIC formed 1600, Saltpetre concession made them a fortune post 1670, whereas the West Indies Interest only got properly organised by the 1730s. (although Barbados and later WI expansion made fortunes for individuals and England before that).

Interesting that concessions to both parties - the Sugar Act of 1764 and the Tea Act 1773 both helped lose America - you win some you lose some I guess.

Maybe in c200 years or so China will lose its way - but whatever the Mandarin for Cyberdyne Technologies is will probably be the ones to take over.

Blimey - Jackie Chan as The Terminator! :shock:

Re: Meanwhile, in the rest of the world...

Post by Voice From Limbo » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:31 pm

That's Trumpsty Dumpsty.
He'll have a great fall.

Re: Meanwhile, in the rest of the world...

Post by Not a chance » Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:58 pm

Born to Wank wrote:
I seriously doubt that, AD. In the last year, I've perceived such a deep disdain by isolationist Americans towards UK (and the UK military) that they'd probably just fucking pass the popcorn around.


The question of "Will the US support its allies" seems to have been answered pretty conclusively by the Kurds and Ukrainians lately.

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